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 Post subject: PANNING
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:59 pm 
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Here is an unedited shot of a tactor race at kila raipur

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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This is one stunt which I have not tried so far... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: But You have done pretty well....
Agali Bar Mein bhi aap ke saath janne ka irada hai.. 8-) 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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LOvkesh boss ....For a perfectly panned shot , the subject have to be in a sharp focus against a moving background or vice versa ...U have just missed the focus on tractors ....
Nonethless , a nice try ...

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:04 pm 
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agree with JT here. wish the tractors were in sharp focus. i know its not easy to shoot these kind of situations where subjects move really fast.

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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Dear Jatin and vishal,I know this is not a perfect shot.Some sharpness could has been achieved in photoshop,but i prefer to present it as it was.thanx for ur sincere comments.
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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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Good try....
Not the easiest to get sharp focus.
The aim actually is to depict motion with reasonable sharpness and if one can achieve that, the purpose is somewhat served.
100 tries at panning will probably give 2 or three really presentable shots.
You've done well!


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pushpinder wrote:
Good try....
Not the easiest to get sharp focus.
The aim actually is to depict motion with reasonable sharpness and if one can achieve that, the purpose is somewhat served.
100 tries at panning will probably give 2 or three really presentable shots.
You've done well!

Thanx Pushpinder for encouraging words.
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Excellent shot .

I know how harsh was the light then and what you did to get a slow shutter speed ..

It was a great learning experience for me and to try and emulate unsuccessfully..

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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lovkeshsharma wrote:
Dear Jatin and vishal,I know this is not a perfect shot.Some sharpness could has been achieved in photoshop,but i prefer to present it as it was.thanx for ur sincere comments.
lovkesh


Boss,
This is definitely a nice try and a good shot , but photoshop cannot sharpen the tractors here .

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chibento wrote:
Excellent shot .

I know how harsh was the light then and what you did to get a slow shutter speed ..

It was a great learning experience for me and to try and emulate unsuccessfully..


Hmmmm.....Slow shutter wasnt desired here dada ....Harsh light was a blessing in disguise , it wud have given a faster shutter , a sharp tractor with panning. My personal thoughts to encourage discussion on panning .

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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jatintalwar wrote:
chibento wrote:
Excellent shot .

I know how harsh was the light then and what you did to get a slow shutter speed ..

It was a great learning experience for me and to try and emulate unsuccessfully..


Hmmmm.....Slow shutter wasnt desired here dada ....Harsh light was a blessing in disguise , it wud have given a faster shutter , a sharp tractor with panning. My personal thoughts to encourage discussion on panning .

Dear jatin. it can't be dicussed here.It can be proved only in the field.Then it will clear how fast shutter speed is required.Morever a panning shot is not so difficult with long focal length i.e at 300mm, but in mine case it was 55mm.
And as u said it can't be sharpened i have done it the second picture. The difference is before everyone
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All said and done it will be my pleasure if i can learn something practical from the masters here.
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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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Boss aap to Bura maan gaye :) :) :P ....I just wanted to encourage dicussion If that is not comfortable , its fine . I will try to keep myself restricted to polished comments next time .
Anyways , the sharpened shot isnt working either ......There has to be a difference between sharpening and focus ....!!!!
I found some interesting references for panning :

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All of us are here to learn boss ....no body is a master ......Dicsussion teaches everybody.....and problems in field are dicussed on forums , gives u a better understanding of sunject .

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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I do not think sharpness had made a different
it might be looking here why not try to get it printed

I agree with JT here sir if anyone wants we can only write comments like:

Vey nice
amazing
awesome shot

but then few members personally messaged me and told me not to do it.

I also felt all of us here are to learn and I learn everyday with this forum.

with due rspect to all the members here all are experts and gurus. So we learn here with a common discussion and feedbacks.

now regarding panning here are few links

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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jatintalwar wrote:
chibento wrote:
Excellent shot .

I know how harsh was the light then and what you did to get a slow shutter speed ..

It was a great learning experience for me and to try and emulate unsuccessfully..


Hmmmm.....Slow shutter wasnt desired here dada ....Harsh light was a blessing in disguise , it wud have given a faster shutter , a sharp tractor with panning. My personal thoughts to encourage discussion on panning .



The light was so harsh that the speeds at 100 ISO were between 1/500- 1/1000 s and I could not get a shutter speed lower than 1/250 and barely noticeable panning effect.

Lovekesh had used two filters a Linear polariser over a CPl to block the harsh light and get some shutter sppeds ~ and I suppose the idea was to get shutter speeds of 1/180 or 1/60s and slowly move the cam. And also I suppose this was without a tripod. In photographic terminology is it faster shutter speed or slower shutter speeds?

And also I suppose this was without a tripod
Or have I misunderstood????

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chibento wrote:
jatintalwar wrote:
chibento wrote:
Excellent shot .

I know how harsh was the light then and what you did to get a slow shutter speed ..

It was a great learning experience for me and to try and emulate unsuccessfully..


Hmmmm.....Slow shutter wasnt desired here dada ....Harsh light was a blessing in disguise , it wud have given a faster shutter , a sharp tractor with panning. My personal thoughts to encourage discussion on panning .



The light was so harsh that the speeds at 100 ISO were between 1/500- 1/1000 s and I could not get a shutter speed lower than 1/250 and barely noticeable panning effect.

Lovekesh had used two filters a Linear polariser over a CPl to block the harsh light and get some shutter sppeds ~ and I suppose the idea was to get shutter speeds of 1/180 or 1/60s and slowly move the cam. And also I suppose this was without a tripod. In photographic terminology is it faster shutter speed or slower shutter speeds?

And also I suppose this was without a tripod
Or have I misunderstood????



oh ok da but tell me one thing how it will improve the picture quality may be i am missing something.

but when i was learning photography from my guru he said there should not be more than one filter on the lens while clicking any shot

this is my 2 cents.

i did understood the situation where light was harsh but still do not know what it has to do with sharp focusing .

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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If we block the light so much , the camera will haunt for focus ....as it probably did here .
And NEVER NEVER use 2 filters together ......
THe linear polarizers are NOT meant for digital cameras ......
Slower shutter speeds mastering can be attained after lots of experience and practice with panning ......till then better to use a faster shutters ....At least what i have read in every article .

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I agree with lovkesh Sharpen photo looks slightly better....but @ the same time I have a question for him is it possible to sharpen a shot in photoshop or any other photo editing tools and then out of focus objects wud b in focus

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 Post subject: Re: PANNING
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Dear jatin and deepak,
It is not so that main bura maan gaya.Genuine comments are always welcome but after reading the whole book.
1.It was a question of sharpening not focus which according to jatin can not be done.If Deepak can't notice the difference i have nothing to say.I have admitted already that it was not a perfect focussed shot.From where the question of focus arised or that of picture quality( as dear deepak mentioned}
2.If we can use Nd filter of different density than why NEVEN NEVER use two filter to block the light.To augment this here is a link
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My gurus are these sites.So whome guru is right.Don't drag Gurus yaar
3. we are talking of an identical case where in the harsh light panning of a running tractor was not possible even with 1/60 shutter speed.And to block the light i used a variable density filter whome MY GURU vouched for.This was not responsible for focus failure.( jatin’s observation)
That is I why I requested to come on the field and teach me how to do a panning with fast shutter speed of 1/500 in the harsh light without reducing the light and how can a harsh sun be BLESSING IN DISGUISE when even on f32 the required shutter speed was higher then 1/500.( at which according to Dear jatin”s link is good for the faster racing car) That will be a real lesson for me to learn .If a motor boat( ref. dear kareem’s excellent shot of a racing boat) panned with 1/80 how can I use a faster speed for a tractor?
So bhai pl.don’t drag this discussion further.I don’t like this forum to take a shape of our old address.Jatin, you and I were the most vocal for hot discussion there.
And believe me My words can be harshed but I have no ill will towards any our family member.
lovkesh


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deepakbabbar wrote:
I agree with lovkesh Sharpen photo looks slightly better....but @ the same time I have a question for him is it possible to sharpen a shot in photoshop or any other photo editing tools and then out of focus objects wud b in focus

Yes dear it is possible to do selective sharpening.But it can't focus an out of focus subject.As in my case the image is definately out of focus.You can repair it not correct it.
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lovkeshsharma wrote:
Dear jatin and deepak,
It is not so that main bura maan gaya.Genuine comments are always welcome but after reading the whole book.
1.It was a question of sharpening not focus which according to jatin can not be done.If Deepak can't notice the difference i have nothing to say.I have admitted already that it was not a perfect focussed shot.From where the question of focus arised or that of picture quality( as dear deepak mentioned}
2.If we can use Nd filter of different density than why NEVEN NEVER use two filter to block the light.To augment this here is a link
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My gurus are these sites.So whome guru is right.Don't drag Gurus yaar
3. we are talking of an identical case where in the harsh light panning of a running tractor was not possible even with 1/60 shutter speed.And to block the light i used a variable density filter whome MY GURU vouched for.This was not responsible for focus failure.( jatin’s observation)
That is I why I requested to come on the field and teach me how to do a panning with fast shutter speed of 1/500 in the harsh light without reducing the light and how can a harsh sun be BLESSING IN DISGUISE when even on f32 the required shutter speed was higher then 1/500.( at which according to Dear jatin”s link is good for the faster racing car) That will be a real lesson for me to learn .If a motor boat( ref. dear kareem’s excellent shot of a racing boat) panned with 1/80 how can I use a faster speed for a tractor?
So bhai pl.don’t drag this discussion further.I don’t like this forum to take a shape of our old address.Jatin, you and I were the most vocal for hot discussion there.
And believe me My words can be harshed but I have no ill will towards any our family member.
lovkesh


Lovkesh sir

first of all let me very clear with you. This is a discussion so as an indivisual I respect you and our every family members alot. I know what hot discussions are you talking about as I use to be the part of it most of the time.

About me can't noticing a difference then trust me I did notice the difference but I still cannot belive its focused properly.

As per the link I do not see the content as its been removed but I trust you on that if you are saying and belive that putting many filters on lens do not degrade the quality then put as many filters you want on the lens. About the quality of the the pictures above are still not upto the mark weather its sharpen or orignal.

I suggest to try clicking photo of a same subject where you put multiple filter and then try clicking the same subject with one or no filter get the prints of both you will see the difference.

If you want to keep the photos of yours only for web display then its fine.

But for me principal will remain the same for every photography and that is the main subject should be in focus.

But i agree with you lets stop the discussion here else we will burn our hands in it nothing positive will come.

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